Monday, June 3, 2013

Response to Comments: Defending and Empowering

So, Dr. Burton made a point to me that my claims were all too broad. I don't know if it was the struggle of trying to fit my ideas into a tweet of different types of claims or if I just didn't understand what I was getting at. I began to talk to my sister-in-law, Julie, and decided I wanted to look at the difference between feminist literature from now compared to the late 1800's and early 1900's. Julie and I discussed how we both see that the original "feminist literature" had merit and purpose and fought for rights that were deserved. Now, we see the feminist literature to unite women together to be trashy and inappropriate and that they fight a battle that is already been won. Though women aren't perfectly "equal" to men, we are given the opportunity to decide for ourselves and to have a voice. My sister-in-law said:

I think it appealed to the emotions of women who felt like their voices weren't being heard. And that eventual anger led further and further away from the basic tenet of equality to the extreme version of feminism we have now where men are denigrated and family values are destroyed
and sent another message saying
I think those with bad intentions used the emotions of the literature to appeal to the general population of women who weren't being heard and it eventually transformed into a group that could be manipulated and exploited with their insecurities.
I responded to her opinion by saying:
  Hmm I agree. I've read literature of this nature from 1800's and early 1900's, and I feel some have some genuine merit, but I feel like after the feminist movement, all the literature and articles written were almost trashy in nature, the way that they attacked instead of defend, if that makes sense. 

I went on Goodreads and pulled up the genre "feminism" and was shocked at what I saw. The titles of the text were shocking and in your face, as if you had to be a feminist or you were a bad person. One title worked off the idea of a certain "lady's part" which left me distraught. As I read the modern writings synopsis, it was about fighting the man and feeling like the woman was higher than the man. It's one thing to defend a person's God given rights and something else to belittle those who aren't a part of your circle.

Charly helped me by mentioning different authors and writings to look deeper into. I want to be able to compare the affects both literature has on those who are reading it. Charly made a comment where she said: 

 Also, I personally believe literature is as much reflective of the society that's already there (written by women, in this case, who live in that society) as a driving force for change. To paraphrase another midcentury figure, Don Draper, "we can't sell people what they don't already want."

I've read literature that would be considered "feminist" but also considered classics. Even though I don't relate myself to feminism, I was able to understand the characters and their motives. I feel like the affect they had on me was beneficial, no matter my stance on a woman's place in the world. Before the 60's, women were searching for a voice, for this literature, stories and articles were a motivation to find that voice. Now that women are able to use their voice to influence the world, they are left to try to gain more power than others around them, and this motivational and empowering text has turned into a power struggle.

I feel like as I delve deeper into my topic, I'll be able to understand it all better, and maybe make a stronger and better argument.

 

4 comments:

  1. My 295 textbook on literary criticism ("The Critical Experience" by David Cowles) has a chapter on feminism. It talks about three waves of feminism:
    1) Liberal feminism: give women suits and make them just like men (hate it)
    2) Radical feminism: women are different from and in fact, better than men (no thanks)
    3) Postmodern feminism: you are whatever you choose to be and there is no male/female (barf)
    I have heard of a possible fourth wave of feminism, championed by career women who married late when they were already infertile, which is probably closest to your standard LDS approach, but, I, personally, haven't seen this catch on.
    You might actually want to look at this book's chapter on New Historicism, which talks about how literature shapes and is shaped by society. It seems to have a lot to do with what you're looking at. I know we aren't doing a research paper so we don't need a theoretical background, but it might help you focus your argument more.

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    1. I would love to look and see what you are talking about

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  2. I think that is awesome that you were able to turn to your family, that your SIL was so helpful to you. I think you took Charly's and Dr. Burton's advice really well and I think your paper is already more focused.
    Like Danielle, I've also learned about the different waves of feminism, and since you're talking about how it has changed? That could certainly be something to look in to.

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  3. The so-called waves of feminism generally refer to time periods.

    First: fight for the franchise, admission to higher education, right to open a bank account, right to not be treated as a legal minor. Late 19th to early 20th century
    Second: perhaps what you think of as "stereotypical" feminism. Equal pay for equal work, women entering professions, closely allied with other civil rights movements, generally. Mid 20th
    Third: More emphasis on individual choice, raising awareness of sexual abuse, pluralism, work-life balance

    I know that some of the reaction here is glib or tongue-in-cheek but I think an argument's more persuasive if you engage the other side on its own terms. Assuming everyone shares your viewpoint (in this case, a negative view of modern feminism), can be dangerous. For instance, I don't find James Bond to have much, if any, literary merit; however, I'm open to Philip persuading me otherwise.

    I'm glad that some of what I linked was helpful to you. :-)

    I think the evaluative claim of "this stuff is trashy," while a valid opinion, is less persuasive. However, if you make a comparison claim, and say that loosening sexual mores (for instance) led to a change in tone within the same genre (feminist literature) over a couple of generations, that's a great, interesting contention! I have read a lot about "raunchy," women-led comedy (think Bridesmaids): exploring why this has happened, and even raising the question whether it's empowering for women, is valid.

    I guess my advice (take it or leave it) is no one likes being preached to. Those of us who do think men and women are equal, and would be happy to grapple in the boardroom, are going to find moral homilies about women's place in the world to be patronizing. If you can engage your general audience, I think that strengthens your argument. I don't expect you to agree with me, necessarily, but it could be worth asking why, say, Ensler titled her play what she did. Just like I might ask why James Bond is presented as he is (and especially, if he's meant to be an ideal! Why must all women be moral ideals? Boring. Lame. Give me complexity.)

    I hope this makes sense! I'll be interested to see what texts you delve into.

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